Sy Ops: Hersh on the US-Saudi-Israeli Alliance
March 1, 2007
Seymour Hersh is without doubt one of America’s finest journalists. His prose is bland, but he has access, and unlike Bob Woodward, he doesn’t use it pain hagiographies for people in power. Instead, he has used information to break many important stories, starting with the My Lai, the story of American military’s massacre of Vietnamese civilians; the Sampson Option, the story of Israel’s pursuit of nuclear weapons; to Abu Ghrabi, the story of Americans porno-Warrior’s torture and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners.
Having said that, I am also wary of Hersh’s method: his frequent use of anonymous sources — which could be justifiable at times, but he frequently cites sources from the Israel Lobby (Patrick Clawson, Martin Indyk etc) without pointing out their affiliations or the possible conflicts of interest — make it necessary for one to approach his articles with a certain degree of scepticism.
While I have great respect for Hersh, who in my view is a very decent human being, I was disappointed when I heard (according to James Petras) that he “publicly defended torture of suspects and their family members as a method of interrogation, citing the Israeli examples in the wake of September 11″.
Hersh’s latest article is an important one and has plenty of information about US-Saudi-Israeli plans which could sink the Middle-East into decades of ethnic and sectarian warfare. Here are some interviews with Hersh followed by important excerpts from the article (for an in-depth interview with Hersh on his new article, visit Democracy Now! [Thanks Ann]):
In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria…
The key players behind the redirection are Vice-President Dick Cheney, the deputy national-security adviser Elliott Abrams, the departing Ambassador to Iraq (and nominee for United Nations Ambassador), Zalmay Khalilzad, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national-security adviser. While Rice has been deeply involved in shaping the public policy, former and current officials said that the clandestine side has been guided by Cheney…
The policy shift has brought Saudi Arabia and Israel into a new strategic embrace, largely because both countries see Iran as an existential threat. [This is nonsense of course. It is the regimes rather than the countries that are threatened, not by Iran, but the success and popularity of Hizbullah]…
Flynt Leverett, a former Bush Administration National Security Council official, told me that “there is nothing coincidental or ironic” about the new strategy with regard to Iraq. “The Administration is trying to make a case that Iran is more dangerous and more provocative than the Sunni insurgents to American interests in Iraq, when—if you look at the actual casualty numbers—the punishment inflicted on America by the Sunnis is greater by an order of magnitude,” Leverett said. “This is all part of the campaign of provocative steps to increase the pressure on Iran. The idea is that at some point the Iranians will respond and then the Administration will have an open door to strike at them…”
“The word went out last August for the military to snatch as many Iranians in Iraq as they can,” a former senior intelligence official said. “They had five hundred locked up at one time. We’re working these guys and getting information from them. The White House goal is to build a case that the Iranians have been fomenting the insurgency and they’ve been doing it all along—that Iran is, in fact, supporting the killing of Americans.” The Pentagon consultant confirmed that hundreds of Iranians have been captured by American forces in recent months. But he told me that that total includes many Iranian humanitarian and aid workers who “get scooped up and released in a short time,” after they have been interrogated…
According to current and former American intelligence and military officials, secret operations in Lebanon have been accompanied by clandestine operations targeting Iran. American military and special-operations teams have escalated their activities in Iran to gather intelligence and, according to a Pentagon consultant on terrorism and the former senior intelligence official, have also crossed the border in pursuit of Iranian operatives from Iraq…
Still, the Pentagon is continuing intensive planning for a possible bombing attack on Iran, a process that began last year, at the direction of the President. In recent months, the former intelligence official told me, a special planning group has been established in the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, charged with creating a contingency bombing plan for Iran that can be implemented, upon orders from the President, within twenty-four hours.
In the past month, I was told by an Air Force adviser on targeting and the Pentagon consultant on terrorism, the Iran planning group has been handed a new assignment: to identify targets in Iran that may be involved in supplying or aiding militants in Iraq. Previously, the focus had been on the destruction of Iran’s nuclear facilities and possible regime change…
The Administration’s effort to diminish Iranian authority in the Middle East has relied heavily on Saudi Arabia and on Prince Bandar, the Saudi national-security adviser…In his new post, he continues to meet privately with [Bush and Cheney, his close friends]. Senior White House officials have made several visits to Saudi Arabia recently, some of them not disclosed.
Last November, Cheney flew to Saudi Arabia for a surprise meeting with King Abdullah and Bandar…the meeting also focussed on more general Saudi fears about “the rise of the Shiites.” In response, “The Saudis are starting to use their leverage—money…” Although Turki [al-Faisal] dislikes Bandar, the Saudi said, he shared his goal of challenging the spread of Shiite power in the Middle East…
The Saudis are driven by their fear that Iran could tilt the balance of power not only in the region but within their own country. Saudi Arabia has a significant Shiite minority in its Eastern Province, a region of major oil fields; sectarian tensions are high in the province…
“The Saudis have considerable financial means, and have deep relations with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis”—Sunni extremists who view Shiites as apostates. “The last time Iran was a threat, the Saudis were able to mobilize the worst kinds of Islamic radicals. Once you get them out of the box, you can’t put them back…”
This time…Bandar and other Saudis have assured the White House that “they will keep a very close eye on the religious fundamentalists. Their message to us was ‘We’ve created this movement, and we can control it.’ It’s not that we don’t want the Salafis to throw bombs; it’s who they throw them at—Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran, and at the Syrians, if they continue to work with Hezbollah and Iran.”
“We have two nightmares,” the former [Saudi] diplomat told me. “For Iran to acquire the bomb and for the United States to attack Iran. I’d rather the Israelis bomb the Iranians, so we can blame them. If America does it, we will be blamed.”
The US-Saudi-Israeli Plan
In the past year, the Saudis, the Israelis, and the Bush Administration have developed a series of informal understandings about their new strategic direction.
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Israel would be assured that its security was paramount and that Washington and Saudi Arabia and other Sunni states shared its concern about Iran…
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Saudis would urge Hamas, the Islamist Palestinian party that has received support from Iran, to curtail its anti-Israeli aggression and to begin serious talks about sharing leadership with Fatah…
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Bush Administration would work directly with Sunni nations to counteract Shiite ascendance in the region…
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Saudi government, with Washington’s approval, would provide funds and logistical aid to weaken the government of President Bashir Assad, of Syria. The Israelis believe that putting such pressure on the Assad government will make it more conciliatory and open to negotiations.
Hariri, a billionaire Sunni, was closely associated with the Saudi regime and with Prince Bandar…
Patrick Clawson, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy [AIPAC spinoff], depicted the Saudis’ coöperation with the White House as a significant breakthrough…Who’s running the greater risk—we or the Saudis? At a time when America’s standing in the Middle East is extremely low, the Saudis are actually embracing us. We should count our blessings…”
War in Lebanon
The Bush Administration has publicly pledged the Siniora government a billion dollars in aid since last summer. A donors’ conference in Paris, in January, which the U.S. helped organize, yielded pledges of almost eight billion more, including a promise of more than a billion from the Saudis. The American pledge includes more than two hundred million dollars in military aid, and forty million dollars for internal security…
The United States has also given clandestine support to the Siniora government… “We are in a program to enhance the Sunni capability to resist Shiite influence, and we’re spreading the money around as much as we can,” the former senior intelligence official said. The problem was that such money “always gets in more pockets than you think it will,” he said. “In this process, we’re financing a lot of bad guys with some serious potential unintended consequences… It’s a very high-risk venture.”
American, European, and Arab officials I spoke to told me that the Siniora government and its allies had allowed some aid to end up in the hands of emerging Sunni radical groups in northern Lebanon, the Bekaa Valley, and around Palestinian refugee camps in the south. These groups, though small, are seen as a buffer to Hezbollah; at the same time, their ideological ties are with Al Qaeda…
Alastair Crooke, who spent nearly thirty years in MI6, the British intelligence service, and now works for Conflicts Forum, a think tank in Beirut, told me, “The Lebanese government is opening space for these people to come in. It could be very dangerous.” Crooke said that one Sunni extremist group, Fatah al-Islam…”were being offered weapons and money by people presenting themselves as representatives of the Lebanese government’s interests—presumably to take on Hezbollah,” Crooke said.
The largest of the groups, Asbat al-Ansar…has received arms and supplies from Lebanese internal-security forces and militias associated with the Siniora government.
According to the Crisis Group report, Saad Hariri later used his parliamentary majority to obtain amnesty for twenty-two of the Dinniyeh Islamists, as well as for seven militants suspected of plotting to bomb the Italian and Ukrainian embassies in Beirut, the previous year. (He also arranged a pardon for Samir Geagea, a Maronite Christian militia leader, who had been convicted of four political murders, including the assassination, in 1987, of Prime Minister Rashid Karami.) …
In January, after an outburst of street violence in Beirut involving supporters of both the Siniora government and Hezbollah, Prince Bandar flew to Tehran to discuss the political impasse in Lebanon and to meet with Ali Larijani, the Iranians’ negotiator on nuclear issues. According to a Middle Eastern ambassador, Bandar’s mission—which the ambassador said was endorsed by the White House—also aimed “to create problems between the Iranians and Syria.” There had been tensions between the two countries about Syrian talks with Israel, and the Saudis’ goal was to encourage a breach. However, the ambassador said, “It did not work. Syria and Iran are not going to betray each other. Bandar’s approach is very unlikely to succeed.”
Warlords and Emperors
Walid Jumblatt, who is the leader of the Druze minority in Lebanon and a strong Siniora supporter, has attacked Nasrallah as an agent of Syria, and has repeatedly told foreign journalists that Hezbollah is under the direct control of the religious leadership in Iran. In a conversation with me last December, he depicted Bashir Assad, the Syrian President, as a “serial killer.” Nasrallah, he said, was “morally guilty” of the assassination of Rafik Hariri and the murder, last November, of Pierre Gemayel, a member of the Siniora Cabinet, because of his support for the Syrians.
Jumblatt then told me that he had met with Vice-President Cheney in Washington last fall to discuss, among other issues, the possibility of undermining Assad. He and his colleagues advised Cheney that, if the United States does try to move against Syria, members of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood would be “the ones to talk to,” Jumblatt said…“We told Cheney that the basic link between Iran and Lebanon is Syria—and to weaken Iran you need to open the door to effective Syrian opposition…”
The Syrian National Salvation Front is a coalition of opposition groups whose principal members are a faction led by Abdul Halim Khaddam, a former Syrian Vice-President who defected in 2005, and the Brotherhood. A former high-ranking C.I.A. officer told me, “The Americans have provided both political and financial support. The Saudis are taking the lead with financial support, but there is American involvement.” He said that Khaddam, who now lives in Paris, was getting money from Saudi Arabia, with the knowledge of the White House. (In 2005, a delegation of the Front’s members met with officials from the National Security Council, according to press reports.)…
Jumblatt said he understood that the issue was a sensitive one for the White House. “I told Cheney that some people in the Arab world, mainly the Egyptians”—whose moderate Sunni leadership has been fighting the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood for decades—“won’t like it if the United States helps the Brotherhood. But if you don’t take on Syria we will be face to face in Lebanon with Hezbollah in a long fight, and one we might not win.”
Nasrallah in the Crosshairs
Last summer, it was reported that Israel was trying to kill Nasrallah, but the extraordinary precautions were not due only to that threat. Nasrallah’s aides told me that they believe he is a prime target of fellow-Arabs, primarily Jordanian intelligence operatives, as well as Sunni jihadists who they believe are affiliated with Al Qaeda. (The government consultant and a retired four-star general said that Jordanian intelligence, with support from the U.S. and Israel, had been trying to infiltrate Shiite groups, to work against Hezbollah…)
Nasrallah accused the Bush Administration of working with Israel to deliberately instigate fitna, an Arabic word that is used to mean “insurrection and fragmentation within Islam.” “In my opinion, there is a huge campaign through the media throughout the world to put each side up against the other,” he said. “I believe that all this is being run by American and Israeli intelligence…” He said that the U.S. war in Iraq had increased sectarian tensions, but argued that Hezbollah had tried to prevent them from spreading into Lebanon…
Partition [of Lebanon and Syria, made inevitable by US-Saudi-Israelis] would leave Israel surrounded by “small tranquil states,” he said. “I can assure you that the Saudi kingdom will also be divided, and the issue will reach to North African states. There will be small ethnic and confessional states,” he said. “In other words, Israel will be the most important and the strongest state in a region that has been partitioned into ethnic and confessional states that are in agreement with each other. This is the new Middle East…”
He said that the Hezbollah militia, unless attacked, would operate only within the borders of Lebanon, and pledged to disarm it when the Lebanese Army was able to stand up. Nasrallah said that he had no interest in initiating another war with Israel. However, he added that he was anticipating, and preparing for, another Israeli attack, later this year…
Nasrallah, Armitage told me, has emerged as “a political force of some note, with a political role to play inside Lebanon if he chooses to do so.” In terms of public relations and political gamesmanship, Armitage said, Nasrallah “is the smartest man in the Middle East.” But, he added, Nasrallah “has got to make it clear that he wants to play an appropriate role as the loyal opposition…”
Most members of the intelligence and diplomatic communities acknowledge Hezbollah’s ongoing ties to Iran. But there is disagreement about the extent to which Nasrallah would put aside Hezbollah’s interests in favor of Iran’s. A former C.I.A. officer who also served in Lebanon called Nasrallah “a Lebanese phenomenon,” adding, “Yes, he’s aided by Iran and Syria, but Hezbollah’s gone beyond that…”
The New Con Game
Two decades ago, the Reagan Administration attempted to fund the Nicaraguan contras illegally, with the help of secret arms sales to Iran. Saudi money was involved in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal, and a few of the players back then—notably Prince Bandar and Elliott Abrams—are involved in today’s dealings.
Iran-Contra was the subject of an informal “lessons learned” discussion two years ago among veterans of the scandal. Abrams led the discussion. One conclusion was that even though the program was eventually exposed, it had been possible to execute it without telling Congress. As to what the experience taught them, in terms of future covert operations, the participants found: “One, you can’t trust our friends. Two, the C.I.A. has got to be totally out of it. Three, you can’t trust the uniformed military, and four, it’s got to be run out of the Vice-President’s office”—a reference to Cheney’s role, the former senior intelligence official said.
I was subsequently told by the two government consultants and the former senior intelligence official that the echoes of Iran-Contra were a factor in Negroponte’s decision to resign from the National Intelligence directorship and accept a sub-Cabinet position of Deputy Secretary of State…
The government consultant said that Negroponte shared the White House’s policy goals but “wanted to do it by the book.” The Pentagon consultant also told me that “there was a sense at the senior-ranks level that he wasn’t fully on board with the more adventurous clandestine initiatives.”
I am getting weary of Hersh! Instinctively, I feel he is putting wood in the fire!
The Iran-Israel-Saudi axis is a very plausible one. I just cannot understand why Israelis will be more favorable to Saudis than to Iranians.
But I am convinced if an attack happens, it will start by Israelis and not Americans. Unless the Iranians show “ze money” to the Cheney camp! Bullyism in action!
desroying the rising Irani power is strategically very important to Arab interests. As it will limit persian influence in Iraq, empower ex secular and moderate Iraqi elements and finally put an end to the medival corrupt, lunatec persanised iraqi traitors like Hakim and Sadr.
Needless to mention, Iraq is most pivotal in collective Arab power. For many reasons, among others, it is the Arab country with best human and technoratic resources and the highest institutional capacity building in the region.An arab nationalistic, prosperous iraq is capable of boosting Arab morale and providing an example to follow suit.
More importantly, it stands as barrier against malicious persian advances into the Arab world- which on the strategic long run, and by its own defintion as Iranian or Persian, have to be Anti- arabic in perspective. The factors that bring Israel and Iran together are by far more influential than those setting them apart
So Iraq is pivotal to “Arab power”. Is that why Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Jordan etc helped American destroy it?
What is Arab power anyway? For decades it has failed to stand up to Israel, suffering one humiliating defeat after another. Yet it is the Irani backed Hizbullah that finally defeated Israel even as Saudis-Egypt-Jordan supported Israel against fellow arabs.
Something tells me you failed to take into account Palestinians as one of the “factor” that should keep Israel and Saudis apart.
Thre is absolutely no way whatsoever the Hisbolah campaign can be counted as a full war. It was more of a guerilla war against mountain villagers! yet i admit that the comparison is not quiet in place!
It just serves to shed some light on the nature of that “war” Besides, it is very clear that the war was serving an Iranian agenda as Israel didnt provoke it.
About wars..well, it was Only the Egyptians that managed to take land,though a very small strip, from Israel by force in 1973.
The gulf sstates and Saudi Arabia have a black history in destroying rising progressive Arab powers. They were virtually Israel’s allies in 1967, as they provoked Nasser. The same scenario took place in 1990 in a different playground and with different settings
It was more of a guerilla war against mountain villagers!
??? 40,000 IDF soldiers were mountain villagers? Thanks for adding to my knowledge
it is very clear that the war was serving an Iranian agenda as Israel didnt provoke it.
Ah, I see. So the 11,000 violations of Lebanon’s border by Israel, including capture of Lebanese fishers and kidnapping many farmers from 2000 to 2006 was not “provoking” a war. It is a sad indictment of Arab impotence, if that is how they start rationalizing their own outrageous inaction.
If beating back an Israeli military invasion is “serving an Iranian agenda”, then perhaps more Arabs should try it. Hizbullah’s military victory is acknowledged both inside and outside Israel. It was an example of superior leadership and tactical brilliance. Rather than serve as Israel’s proxies and try to belittle the first real riposte to 6 decades of Isareli aggression, perhaps the rest of the Arab world could learn something from it.
Yes, it is well known that the Gulf States undercut Nasser, who was perhaps the last great leader the Arab world had; just as they undercut Nasrallah today on spurious sectarian grounds.
Just as in Iraq the Sunnis resisted, and the Shia (with the exception of Sadr) collaborated, in Lebanon the Shia have triumphantly resisted and the Sunnis collaborate (both with Israel and US).
To sow sectarian tensions is a US-Israeli plan. It is a disgrace that they should be aided in this by Gulf States, Jordan and Egypt. They have already done enough damage in Palestine for their US-Israeli overlords. Its about time they put an end to this egregious, cowardly collusion.
desroying the rising Irani power is strategically very important to Arab interests
Fascinating view! Haven’t got much to add to what idrees said above.
i miswrote what i ment. The Hisbollah fighter are the mountain villager guerillas fighting an oragnised army, just the sort of war no real army can win.
To overcome the Israeli hegemony in the region- Arabs have to reconstruct their dysnfunctioning institutions within an Arabic metaframework. Usless battles carried out by client ganglike guerillas employing an enemy’s (Iran) medival ideology is self-defeating, and indeed, blind!
What the satanic medival malalis of Iran has done and is doing to iraq since 1979, proves that Iran is even more dangerous than Israel. For, it is a self-evident fact that Israel is an anomly in the region. While in Iran they have their Trosian horse in the form of a doomed to lose imperial persian ambitions, disguised behind an islamic globe project!
The Hisbollah fighter are the mountain villager guerillas fighting an oragnised army, just the sort of war no real army can win.
That sounds wonderful. Why don’t Egypt, Jordan and Saudi employ the same methods, if “no real army can win” against it?
To overcome the Israeli hegemony in the region- Arabs have to reconstruct their dysnfunctioning institutions within an Arabic metaframework.
Hmmm…and the best way to do it is to starve the Palestinians, as Jordan-Egypt-Saudis did by enforcing US-Israeli embargo, sow seeds of sectarian war in Lebanon, and aid Israel against Iran?
Sounds fantastic. I am sure the Palestinians are delighted.
Usless battles carried out by client ganglike guerillas employing an enemy’s (Iran) medival ideology is self-defeating, and indeed, blind!
Useless battles? You mean the kind where an Arab side ends up winning? You are right, they can’t match the usefulness of the humiliating defeats of ’48, ’56, ’67, ’73.
I am not sure what “medieval ideology” has got to do with this? Resistance is a medieval ideology?
What the satanic medival malalis of Iran has done and is doing to iraq since 1979, proves that Iran is even more dangerous than Israel.
This is too ignorant and silly for me to dignify with a reply. Incase you haven’t read history, it was Iraq that invaded Iran with Arab and American support.
For, it is a self-evident fact that Israel is an anomly in the region.
Is it? How come it is not reflected in your statements? You seem pretty keen to aid it in the suppression of Palestinians by allying yourself with it against its sole regional challenger.
While in Iran they have their Trosian horse in the form of a doomed to lose imperial persian ambitions, disguised behind an islamic globe project!
Yes, I love egyptian state propaganda. It is always hilarious.
If Iran has not invaded another state in more than a century, it must indeed be proof of “imperial pesian ambitions”.
Well it seems to me that you very passionate when it comes to iran! First of all, i just cannot find a solid reason that justifies the pressumptions you are making about my affilation with Saudi, Egyptian or Jordanian regimes!
The most ignorant kind of argument is the one a thief puts out when he gets arrested: oh why are you arresting me? the rest are thieves mmmm.
So, apparaently you are faling into one of stereotypical traps of the muslim Dichotomal, binary way of thinking balck and white, angels and satans., why me not him?
The war of attrition and the Egyptian victory in 1973 was not a humilating defeat( well documented and resourced in many British, American and Israeli military analysts).
It also seems to me that you only read the bits of history that can justify your passionate affilation with Iran and the shiaa discourse of wellayat al fakeeh and martyrdom for the sake of sadah. So, in case you dont know, Iran forced Iraq to make boarder concessions in 1975 in return for lifting [her] support to Kurdish terrorists. In 1979 the lunatic, mentally disturbed Khomini called for bringing down the Iraqi regimee, and started to exrcise significant influence on iraqi shiaas. He also called Arab nationalism Herecy!
In case you havent heard about Iraq filed 100 complains to The U.N ABOUT THE INCREASED SCALE AND LEVEl of Iranian border harrasments, which had been a routine on the Iran Iraq borders for a long time.
In 1973 Iran exerted pressure On iraq to hinder its full participation in that war.
It the quiet obvious that the rising progressive , modern Iraqi power had no alternative but to break ther back of Iran, in order to assert itself as a major regional palyer.
I am passionate when it comes to any victim of foreign aggression. I don’t know anything about shia theology, and I won’t debate it since it is completely irrelevant to the present topic.
There is no excuse for aiding US and Israel. NO EXCUSE! So do not try to dignify the Arab States’ cowardly collusion with Zionist imperialism through references to a warped version of history. Egypt-Saudi-Jordanians already have the blood of Palestinians on their hand, since it is through them that Isarel enforces its embargo. I may not care for hardline theocrats (of any sect), but I have the utmost respect for Iran for providing monetary assistance to the beleaguered Palestinains — and for Hizbullah, for being the only organization to challenge Israel when it was brutally ravaging Gaza.
“progressive modern Iraq”? I am touched by your optimism. So is that what Saudis-Jordanians-Gulf States aided the United States to create? Hell, that makes it all sound perfectly logical. What is 655,000 Iraqi lives for such a noble cause?
Lastly, I don’t have to know your ethnicity, origin or affiliations to place the provenance of your statements. What you are repeating is propaganda manufactured at the Israel-lobby’s think tanks in washington and passed on to its regional surrogates.
In any case, count yourself among the blessed few, since the majority of Sunnis are more sceptical of state propaganda that you are.
you are so biased! why dont you symaptheise with iraq who provided refugee in iraq and rights not enjoyed by iraqis in iraq. in addition to tremendous financial support to palestinians.
By the way, Iranians are now killing Palestinains in Iraq.I suggest that you chech the U.N development reports about Iraq in 1989! The iraqis died defending Arabs against the Iranian BARBARS. those who were tortured in iraq are those half Persian traitors and Kurdish rebels who were collaborating the IRANIAN enemy.
It seems to me that your perspective on whole Arab Iran issue involves an unjustified leap from the realm of fact to the realm of value!
What you are basically doing is attaching negative connotations to anyone who views Iran as an anti-Arab force by implying that they are either anti-Palestinaian vampires, or ignorant stupid idiots taken in by the Zionist conspiracy!
To quiet confidently state that any anti Iranian view in the Arab world , is the outcome a plan cooked in the lobbies of Jewish organisations in D.C is too simplicitc
and lacks emperical evidence!
i ment refugee to palestinaians in Iraq
I have all my sympathies with Iraqi people, not with the puppets who govern them, or the ones that US-Israel-Saudi would have them governed by.
I am sorry if I fail to see how Iranians are the “barbanrains” when warding off a war of aggression against them by Iraq backed by Gulf and US.
I am sorry as well If i don’t see Saddam Hussein as a hero for trying to make political capital out of Palestinians suffering. In fact, in mid-80s he was quite keen to betray them in return for US-Isareli support.
I know that Palestinians are being driven out of Baghdad by death squads. But I guess you are forgetting that Kuwaitis did the same to Palestinians in 1991. You also forget that the death squads were trained by your present ally, Israel and US.
Anti Iranian view among the Arab regimes (not shared by the majority of their population) is their own concoction when not instigated by WINEP, AEI, Saban Centre or FDD.
I guess the “empirical evidence” statement was a joke!
Anyone who helps Palestinians is a friend of mine. And anyone who undermines their cause deserves nothing but contempt. So Hizbullah is my friend, and has my utmost respect, whereas the Egytptian, Jordanian, Saudi regimes deserve nothing but contempt for aiding in the oppression of Palestine. So does anyone who facilitates, apologizes for, or supports Zionist aggression against another Islamic country.
Of course they are Zionist stooges.
You didn’t mention however. Do you support the embargo against Palestine enforced at the behest of Israel by Jordan, Egypt, Saudis?
Most Palestinians are having a single meal a day, and Egypt and Jordan prevented aid passing through their borders. Last year, Saudis were refusing to let Ismail Haniyyeh enter their borders. Palestinians were starving, and no one was doing anything to aid them. Except of course Iran, which sent $35 million initially and much more later.
I hope not all Arabs are this willing to sacrifice Palestinians in order to be in Israel’s good graces?
Why do you choose to overlook the fact that death squads are trained armed by iranians?.
Moreover,their political wing the supreme council of iranian revolution Hakim and sons…… ltd are Iranian puppets.
Many of them are half Persian half Arab. And some were from the iranian border gypsies. And what is worse, the military faction, have been living in Iran for for more than 20 years. So, they are basically Arabic speaking IRANS
heeeeee your argument about Sadam taking advantage of Palestinians is applicable on Iran as well…..
“You didn’t mention however. Do you support the embargo against Palestine enforced at the behest of Israel by Jordan, Egypt, Saudis?”
I cant believe that an intelligent academic free thinker like yourself, would resort to intimidating his opponents by invoking issues totally irrlevant to the topic, just TO show that you have a moral footage!
I think my statemnts speak for me. It is clear that I’m a pan arab liberal anti-imperial citezen.
“anti-imperial”?
I am sure you don’t mean that. Didn’t you say that you support an alliance with the reigning imperial power of the day, the United States?
“pan arab”?
That can’t be true either. Didn’t you say you are alright with an alliance with a state that has disposessed, raped and massacred arab people and occupied arab lands? At a time when in Europe and elsewhere supporters of palestinian rights are campaigning to isolate israel through boycott and divestment campaigns, isn’t it ironic that we actually have ARABS resuscitating it for a new orgy of violence against the occupied?
It is almost amusing. Because only last month, Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad had this to say:
hariri lebanon
I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read.
By the way, Iranians are now killing Palestinains in Iraq.I suggest that you chech the U.N development reports about Iraq in 1989! The iraqis died defending Arabs against the Iranian BARBARS. those who were tortured in iraq are those half Persian traitors and Kurdish rebels who were collaborating the IRANIAN enemy.
This Mr Amre has such a proponence to Zionistic-like behavior!
He comes to my web site and talks about how he loves Persians and wants friendship and etc. and goes on Arab sites and apologizes for Saddam’s crimes against Iraqis! And he starts his comments by a barrage of quiestions and :”come on, explain to me, explain to me now!” (Like a little sad fight rooster, seeking confrontation but withoout a cause as he admits in his weblog!)
Well Amre, Iranian BARBARS do not drop chemical bombs on dissident Iranian Arabs, or separatist Kurds, or Baluchis. If your version of Pan-Arabism is civilized; if your idea of Arabism revolves around “facial features” and dead pharoes, Iranians are indeed barbars!